there are practical laws on the crowd. >> indeed, that's what we do. we -- >> i don't know if anybody wants to raise a hand. but you might want to tell them about it. >> well, we build a temporary city in the desert. it has all the -- all the -- is everything any city normal city would provide. it lasts for eight days. it's known -- our event is known -- i've seen that we're radical. it is kind of radical but radical in both senses of that term. radical conventionally means, you know, pushing boundaries going beyond normal categories. but it -- it -- the thing about how it's used it also means deeply rooted in the human soul. it's a very conservative meeting. sorry. things that go deep and don't change that are fixed. and we create a kind of city that goes to -- goes to those extremes at the same time. if you go two extremes at the same time it broadness your feel. you can comprehend a greater subject. so we have a -- this wailing provization taking place, ungoverned interactions, all of us unplanned. just as nature is unplanned. but at the same time a